to answer your question
We do not run from the desktops. Applications are on the server & point correctly. op's locks are off & nothing has changed on our system. Our proceedure on this day did change but prior to the update we had never done this as it was not possible. The two problems are not related by module interaction but the cause is in our opinion the same. this is the "multi user" function added in the last update. please check with the "fix" people & see if this could be the same situation. I know they are working on the IC one now.

Thanks Bruce